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		<title>By: Ben Knotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Knotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If funds are being misspent on the state level, the state should deal with it.  If funds are being misspent on the associational level, the association should deal with it.  If funds are being misspent on the national level, then it is the ones who are leading the convention misspending the money.  Either way, the more impersonal the funding of missions is the less effective it will always be, for my local church will always spend the money more consciously than those who receive but do not toil for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If funds are being misspent on the state level, the state should deal with it.  If funds are being misspent on the associational level, the association should deal with it.  If funds are being misspent on the national level, then it is the ones who are leading the convention misspending the money.  Either way, the more impersonal the funding of missions is the less effective it will always be, for my local church will always spend the money more consciously than those who receive but do not toil for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think God is shaking up the SBC--National &amp; on the State level! &amp; we are in dire need of a self examination from bottom to the top! I have been a SB for 53 yrs. I am a Lead Pastor in an average size SBC Church attendence about 300 in the N.E.--We need the support of the State Convention for training &amp; professional Christian counseling etc. with the severe issues in our families today. But there is no question that we have been neglegent in being good stewards of God&#039;s resources on the State &amp; National level &amp; in the local church. May we all have a renewed passion to fulfill the great commission as we face the end times!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think God is shaking up the SBC&#8211;National &amp; on the State level! &amp; we are in dire need of a self examination from bottom to the top! I have been a SB for 53 yrs. I am a Lead Pastor in an average size SBC Church attendence about 300 in the N.E.&#8211;We need the support of the State Convention for training &amp; professional Christian counseling etc. with the severe issues in our families today. But there is no question that we have been neglegent in being good stewards of God&#8217;s resources on the State &amp; National level &amp; in the local church. May we all have a renewed passion to fulfill the great commission as we face the end times!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wilson</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/05/20/dooming-the-great-commission-resurgence/comment-page-1/#comment-12241</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing some research yesterday, I think that the MEGA-church point of view is the only one represented on this committee.  Most of the church websites I visited had more people on staff than we have as active members at the church I am a member of.  This CANNOT help but influence some of the conclusions drawn.  

My earlier reference to SBC materials was a little cryptic.  I meant that the Sunday School, VBS, etc. materials often seem to assume a much larger staff and program than many churches can manage.  I attend a small SBC church in FAR northern New York.  Montreal, Canada is the nearest sizeable city.  

Speaking of world evangelism, why is there not a bigger push into the ethnic communities in our North American cities.  The Montreal to Toronto corridor (about 300 miles end to end) is home to the VAST majority of Canadian citizens and we have only a few works going in that area.  Toronto is the most ethnically diverse city in the world.  They have 50 language groups represented in their school system.  All these people have relatives and friends back home, often in countries closed or opposed to mission outreach.  Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing some research yesterday, I think that the MEGA-church point of view is the only one represented on this committee.  Most of the church websites I visited had more people on staff than we have as active members at the church I am a member of.  This CANNOT help but influence some of the conclusions drawn.  </p>
<p>My earlier reference to SBC materials was a little cryptic.  I meant that the Sunday School, VBS, etc. materials often seem to assume a much larger staff and program than many churches can manage.  I attend a small SBC church in FAR northern New York.  Montreal, Canada is the nearest sizeable city.  </p>
<p>Speaking of world evangelism, why is there not a bigger push into the ethnic communities in our North American cities.  The Montreal to Toronto corridor (about 300 miles end to end) is home to the VAST majority of Canadian citizens and we have only a few works going in that area.  Toronto is the most ethnically diverse city in the world.  They have 50 language groups represented in their school system.  All these people have relatives and friends back home, often in countries closed or opposed to mission outreach.  Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, the GCR statement puts the importance of the family at #10.  It should be at #2 or 3.  We spend a lot of time stating our positions, why do we need another study group?  Seems like we spend WAY too much time and money on demographic studies, etc.  Jesus said that His Father would draw them in! (John 6:44)

Why, after refusing to join under the leadership of the SBC, are we still affiliated with the WMU?  They have connections with other organizations with whom the SBC has parted ways long ago.  Is it because of tradition?  (We&#039;ve always worked with them.)  Is it because they own the copyright on Lottie Moon and Annie Armstrong?  (That would be &quot;hard to sell&quot; to the local congregations.)

Some of the language in the document sounds like a lawyer wrote it.  Too much PC language.  Who really talks like that, &quot;the complete sufficiency of Christian Scripture&quot;.  Last time I checked, there is ONLY ONE Scripture.  All the others who claim authority are FALSE.

&quot;...every priority we embrace as a network of local Baptist churches.&quot;  I thought we were an interconnected Body?

&quot;...refusing to be sidetracked by theological agendas...&quot;  Also known as FALSE TEACHING.

VIII.  A Commitment to a Methodological Diversity that is Biblically Informed.  Who talks like that, and what exactly does it mean?  The church I attend is very small and the materials produced by SBC don&#039;t work so well in the small setting.

Of course, number 9 is problematic.  No comment needed.

Some things need some work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, the GCR statement puts the importance of the family at #10.  It should be at #2 or 3.  We spend a lot of time stating our positions, why do we need another study group?  Seems like we spend WAY too much time and money on demographic studies, etc.  Jesus said that His Father would draw them in! (John 6:44)</p>
<p>Why, after refusing to join under the leadership of the SBC, are we still affiliated with the WMU?  They have connections with other organizations with whom the SBC has parted ways long ago.  Is it because of tradition?  (We&#8217;ve always worked with them.)  Is it because they own the copyright on Lottie Moon and Annie Armstrong?  (That would be &#8220;hard to sell&#8221; to the local congregations.)</p>
<p>Some of the language in the document sounds like a lawyer wrote it.  Too much PC language.  Who really talks like that, &#8220;the complete sufficiency of Christian Scripture&#8221;.  Last time I checked, there is ONLY ONE Scripture.  All the others who claim authority are FALSE.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;every priority we embrace as a network of local Baptist churches.&#8221;  I thought we were an interconnected Body?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;refusing to be sidetracked by theological agendas&#8230;&#8221;  Also known as FALSE TEACHING.</p>
<p>VIII.  A Commitment to a Methodological Diversity that is Biblically Informed.  Who talks like that, and what exactly does it mean?  The church I attend is very small and the materials produced by SBC don&#8217;t work so well in the small setting.</p>
<p>Of course, number 9 is problematic.  No comment needed.</p>
<p>Some things need some work.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason number 9 is such a big issue is because the vast majority of southern baptists already agree with all of the other point and are actively working towards them. Most of the other point really seem to be simply a rephrasing of what we have already committed to in the 2000 baptist faith and message. I can&#039;t think of a southern baptist off the top of my head who is going to say &quot;we don&#039;t want to do missions&quot; or &quot;we don&#039;t want strong Christan families&quot; or &quot;we don&#039;t want to preach the gospel&quot;. Number 9 however is hintig at a major structure reorginizatio with no specifics as to what it will be or how it will be better. It almosts sound like the presidents vauge &quot;hope and change line without specifics of what we are changing too. I agree with everything else in the statment, but I have too many question to just sign on and hope it will all shake out ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason number 9 is such a big issue is because the vast majority of southern baptists already agree with all of the other point and are actively working towards them. Most of the other point really seem to be simply a rephrasing of what we have already committed to in the 2000 baptist faith and message. I can&#8217;t think of a southern baptist off the top of my head who is going to say &#8220;we don&#8217;t want to do missions&#8221; or &#8220;we don&#8217;t want strong Christan families&#8221; or &#8220;we don&#8217;t want to preach the gospel&#8221;. Number 9 however is hintig at a major structure reorginizatio with no specifics as to what it will be or how it will be better. It almosts sound like the presidents vauge &#8220;hope and change line without specifics of what we are changing too. I agree with everything else in the statment, but I have too many question to just sign on and hope it will all shake out ok.</p>
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		<title>By: The Backstory to the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Backstory to the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dooming the Great Commission Resurgence by Ryan Hutchinson [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way I think this can be achieved is to blow up the entire convention, scrap it all and start over. It&#039;s what really should be done, but the autonomy will not allow it. 

In all honesty, I do not want the dollars going to a large national organization. It will only create the SBC equivilent of big government, which is power-based and rarely effective. 

I think the majority of the money should stay local, for church planting, empowering churches to adopt people groups and have the church as missionary instead of paying professionals to do the job.

This would also allow states to focus on theological education, in particular the integration of all degrees with theological education. Why shouldn&#039;t a state-affiliated college offer MDiv&#039;s and PhD in theology, religion and ministry? It was make theological education more accessible, particularly advanced degrees. It would also allow for greater local contextualization. If a state convention doesn&#039;t have an affiliated baptist college, they can partner with a like-minded Christian college in their area. Of course, they won&#039;t turn out little SBC&#039;ers, but I would suggest that is not altogether bad.

For this to be anything other than moving around legos, it needs to be deconstructed totally. Only then can we then can build with moldable plastic. The convention needs to decentralize rather than centralize more.

I&#039;ve no issues with most of the other points, but for the document to be truly effective it will require a complete deconstruction of the entire convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way I think this can be achieved is to blow up the entire convention, scrap it all and start over. It&#8217;s what really should be done, but the autonomy will not allow it. </p>
<p>In all honesty, I do not want the dollars going to a large national organization. It will only create the SBC equivilent of big government, which is power-based and rarely effective. </p>
<p>I think the majority of the money should stay local, for church planting, empowering churches to adopt people groups and have the church as missionary instead of paying professionals to do the job.</p>
<p>This would also allow states to focus on theological education, in particular the integration of all degrees with theological education. Why shouldn&#8217;t a state-affiliated college offer MDiv&#8217;s and PhD in theology, religion and ministry? It was make theological education more accessible, particularly advanced degrees. It would also allow for greater local contextualization. If a state convention doesn&#8217;t have an affiliated baptist college, they can partner with a like-minded Christian college in their area. Of course, they won&#8217;t turn out little SBC&#8217;ers, but I would suggest that is not altogether bad.</p>
<p>For this to be anything other than moving around legos, it needs to be deconstructed totally. Only then can we then can build with moldable plastic. The convention needs to decentralize rather than centralize more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no issues with most of the other points, but for the document to be truly effective it will require a complete deconstruction of the entire convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Denominational Reform The Odysseus Way (Why I&#8217;m Undecided About The GCR) &#124; Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denominational Reform The Odysseus Way (Why I&#8217;m Undecided About The GCR) &#124; Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maybe that&#8217;s why they don&#8217;t want to talk about committment #9 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article.  I am passionately supportive of the GCR and it seems as if all the negativity has been focused on one aspect of it, one that is not even defined yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article.  I am passionately supportive of the GCR and it seems as if all the negativity has been focused on one aspect of it, one that is not even defined yet.</p>
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