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		<title>By: The Southern Baptist Convention- Concerns, Critical Issues, and Observations. &#171; Matt Capps Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Southern Baptist Convention- Concerns, Critical Issues, and Observations. &#171; Matt Capps Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2. Don Dunavant on “GM and the SBC” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Back Story to the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/06/02/gm-and-the-sbc/comment-page-1/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>The Back Story to the Great Commission Resurgence &#171; Provocations &#38; Pantings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GM and the SBC by Don Dunavant [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Angison</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/06/02/gm-and-the-sbc/comment-page-1/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Angison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve absolutely got to change this thing in the next few years. If we fail we won&#039;t see an immediate effect but, like GM, within the generation we&#039;ll look around at our monolithic buildings and organizations that are hemoraging money from bloated local staffing and budgets that don&#039;t actually reach people with the Gospel.

Right now we&#039;ve lost the next generation. Some will hang around, some of them toeing the line from the elites in our convention, spouting the same rhetoric, but the real innovative and Kingdom minded pastors have left. 

I&#039;m thankful for the Great Commission Resurrgence and the signatories. We have to change this thing. We&#039;ve walked away from the streamlined convention of the founders and have hung an albatross around our CP necks. We absolutely have to change this thing. Hopefully it will happen.

You are the Church!
R.A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve absolutely got to change this thing in the next few years. If we fail we won&#8217;t see an immediate effect but, like GM, within the generation we&#8217;ll look around at our monolithic buildings and organizations that are hemoraging money from bloated local staffing and budgets that don&#8217;t actually reach people with the Gospel.</p>
<p>Right now we&#8217;ve lost the next generation. Some will hang around, some of them toeing the line from the elites in our convention, spouting the same rhetoric, but the real innovative and Kingdom minded pastors have left. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful for the Great Commission Resurrgence and the signatories. We have to change this thing. We&#8217;ve walked away from the streamlined convention of the founders and have hung an albatross around our CP necks. We absolutely have to change this thing. Hopefully it will happen.</p>
<p>You are the Church!<br />
R.A.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Article on GM and the SBC &#171; Chris Aiken</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/06/02/gm-and-the-sbc/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting Article on GM and the SBC &#171; Chris Aiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interesting Article on GM and the&#160;SBC  Posted on June 3, 2009 by chrisaiken   My friend and mentor, Dr. Don Dunavant, wrote an interesting article for Between the Times comparing the current GM situation with the Southern Baptist Convention. I believe his observations are &#8220;spot on&#8221; and are worthy of your read. You can read the article here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interesting Article on GM and the&nbsp;SBC  Posted on June 3, 2009 by chrisaiken   My friend and mentor, Dr. Don Dunavant, wrote an interesting article for Between the Times comparing the current GM situation with the Southern Baptist Convention. I believe his observations are &#8220;spot on&#8221; and are worthy of your read. You can read the article here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Rolfe</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/06/02/gm-and-the-sbc/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Rolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good observation! 

It might be helpful to note that this trend is by no means new. As a 40+ Seminary graduate (not a pastor) I grew up in what Dr. Dunavant calls the &quot;reformed&quot; category. 

I attended SBC churches all my life, and when I felt the call to go serve on short-term missions after college, I applied to the Journeyman program. When my application was denied (too fat) I made no further applications, but God&#039;s call was not to be denied. A missionary, who our church supported directly, met me and extended an invitation to join him for the summer. I sent one letter requesting support and two weeks later I was on my way to a 7 month assignment overseas. I was generously supported (I had to ask people to stop sending money) by several SBC churches in at least three states. 

My point is that these SBC churches were already eager to support missions and had no reservations in bypassing the convention. In fact, the speed in which they responded indicates they were well practiced at it. All of this took place in 1989, so this &quot;trend&quot; is at least 20 years in the making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observation! </p>
<p>It might be helpful to note that this trend is by no means new. As a 40+ Seminary graduate (not a pastor) I grew up in what Dr. Dunavant calls the &#8220;reformed&#8221; category. </p>
<p>I attended SBC churches all my life, and when I felt the call to go serve on short-term missions after college, I applied to the Journeyman program. When my application was denied (too fat) I made no further applications, but God&#8217;s call was not to be denied. A missionary, who our church supported directly, met me and extended an invitation to join him for the summer. I sent one letter requesting support and two weeks later I was on my way to a 7 month assignment overseas. I was generously supported (I had to ask people to stop sending money) by several SBC churches in at least three states. </p>
<p>My point is that these SBC churches were already eager to support missions and had no reservations in bypassing the convention. In fact, the speed in which they responded indicates they were well practiced at it. All of this took place in 1989, so this &#8220;trend&#8221; is at least 20 years in the making.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dunavant:

I agree 100% with your analysis!

One part of the problem is that most of the agencies operate like secret societies. They don&#039;t do this intentionally -- because the agencies have &quot;plenary&quot; or PUBLIC Board of Trustees sessions.   

Things have been smooth for generations but now younger pastors are beginning to raise questions. These younger pastors are asking, &quot;why should we support this CP/IMB/NAMB model&quot;?
  
The agencies are not doing much proactively reach out to these younger pastors using communication mechanisms that are relevant to them. 
 
I&#039;m trying to do at least a SMALL thing to address this. I plan on attending the next BoT meeting of the IMB (September 16th in Jacksonville) and blog about whatever is going on. I am going to do this on my own dime. 

The stuff I&#039;m doing will supplement current documentation such as published minutes and BP news releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dunavant:</p>
<p>I agree 100% with your analysis!</p>
<p>One part of the problem is that most of the agencies operate like secret societies. They don&#8217;t do this intentionally &#8212; because the agencies have &#8220;plenary&#8221; or PUBLIC Board of Trustees sessions.   </p>
<p>Things have been smooth for generations but now younger pastors are beginning to raise questions. These younger pastors are asking, &#8220;why should we support this CP/IMB/NAMB model&#8221;?</p>
<p>The agencies are not doing much proactively reach out to these younger pastors using communication mechanisms that are relevant to them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to do at least a SMALL thing to address this. I plan on attending the next BoT meeting of the IMB (September 16th in Jacksonville) and blog about whatever is going on. I am going to do this on my own dime. </p>
<p>The stuff I&#8217;m doing will supplement current documentation such as published minutes and BP news releases.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Logan</title>
		<link>http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/06/02/gm-and-the-sbc/comment-page-1/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article took the words right out of my mouth. I am a 20 year old Theology student at CBU and would consider myself one of the &quot;fearless innovators&quot; (I definitely have the coolest title, btw). 

I&#039;ve learned to love the structure of a cell church that is mission minded and Gospel saturated. It is my prayer that the Christians in the CC will not only SAY that they love missions, but will DO missions. And that means that members are going out into the harvest with the Local Church sending and supporting them. I&#039;ve talked to a plethora of students my age with the same mindset. And if this is going to be the new thinking of the SBC when my generation gets into the passenger seat (shotgun will work since Jesus is driving), the structure must change. Instead of money rising up to the higher echelons of the SBC, maybe it could fall down to the churches, allowing them to fulfill God&#039;s mission. 

I don&#039;t know what the changes will be, but I certainly pray the changes will further the Kingdom and that more disciples are taking up their cross than the world has ever seen before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article took the words right out of my mouth. I am a 20 year old Theology student at CBU and would consider myself one of the &#8220;fearless innovators&#8221; (I definitely have the coolest title, btw). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned to love the structure of a cell church that is mission minded and Gospel saturated. It is my prayer that the Christians in the CC will not only SAY that they love missions, but will DO missions. And that means that members are going out into the harvest with the Local Church sending and supporting them. I&#8217;ve talked to a plethora of students my age with the same mindset. And if this is going to be the new thinking of the SBC when my generation gets into the passenger seat (shotgun will work since Jesus is driving), the structure must change. Instead of money rising up to the higher echelons of the SBC, maybe it could fall down to the churches, allowing them to fulfill God&#8217;s mission. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the changes will be, but I certainly pray the changes will further the Kingdom and that more disciples are taking up their cross than the world has ever seen before.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Schenewerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Schenewerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudo&#039;s for an on target analysis. I am in the 50+ (I&#039;ll be 53 in August- been pastoring SBC churches in the Northwest Baptist Convention since 1981- and prior to that I was an associate pastor in the Northwest from 1977-1981. Anyway, I have led my churches to give generously to the CP for all these years. Once in a great while missionaries come through, or agency heads come to our annual meetings. But due to costs of travel those visits are usually limited to few and far between. Reorganization is a fact of life, change is a necessity, for without change there is only death. Our church- where I&#039;ve served for almost 18 years -constantly faces the challenge of adapting to what God is doing in our community. I believe that our agencies and the entire structure must be open to change in order to be oriented to the move of God. Dan Southerland, in Transitioning, talks about surfing, catching waves...I sense we are on the edge of a wave of God&#039;s movement unlike anything we&#039;ve seen- at least in our neighborhood. Let&#039;s be willing to change- not for the sake of change, but for the opportunity to be involved in the activity of God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudo&#8217;s for an on target analysis. I am in the 50+ (I&#8217;ll be 53 in August- been pastoring SBC churches in the Northwest Baptist Convention since 1981- and prior to that I was an associate pastor in the Northwest from 1977-1981. Anyway, I have led my churches to give generously to the CP for all these years. Once in a great while missionaries come through, or agency heads come to our annual meetings. But due to costs of travel those visits are usually limited to few and far between. Reorganization is a fact of life, change is a necessity, for without change there is only death. Our church- where I&#8217;ve served for almost 18 years -constantly faces the challenge of adapting to what God is doing in our community. I believe that our agencies and the entire structure must be open to change in order to be oriented to the move of God. Dan Southerland, in Transitioning, talks about surfing, catching waves&#8230;I sense we are on the edge of a wave of God&#8217;s movement unlike anything we&#8217;ve seen- at least in our neighborhood. Let&#8217;s be willing to change- not for the sake of change, but for the opportunity to be involved in the activity of God!</p>
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		<title>By: spotlight: GM, the future of the SBC? &#171; Re:Wilsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>spotlight: GM, the future of the SBC? &#171; Re:Wilsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A striking analysis.  Thanks for the insights and perspective.</description>
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