Comments on: GCR Myth #2: The goal of [certain members of] the Task Force is to turn North American church planting over to Acts 29 or to at least enter into a formal partnership with them. http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:19:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Elijah Elkins http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-7513 Elijah Elkins Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:38:25 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-7513 Great comments everyone... I believe that what Acts 29 does (planting churches), they do well. If nothing more, we as Southern Baptists need to look at and learn from our Acts 29 brothers. They are very "successful" percentage wise. I think they've only had 2 failed plants overall. There would be a great deal of challenges in officially partnering with Acts 29, but no one in the SBC should condemn local church partnership with them or learning from Mark Driscoll for that matter... Let's all keep praying for the GCR & Task Force, SBC, IMB, NAMB, and Acts 29. God is bigger than we all think, and He is doing big things in this upcoming generation of Christians. Great comments everyone… I believe that what Acts 29 does (planting churches), they do well. If nothing more, we as Southern Baptists need to look at and learn from our Acts 29 brothers. They are very “successful” percentage wise. I think they’ve only had 2 failed plants overall. There would be a great deal of challenges in officially partnering with Acts 29, but no one in the SBC should condemn local church partnership with them or learning from Mark Driscoll for that matter… Let’s all keep praying for the GCR & Task Force, SBC, IMB, NAMB, and Acts 29. God is bigger than we all think, and He is doing big things in this upcoming generation of Christians.

]]> By: Who is Spreading Myths? :: SBC Today http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-7265 Who is Spreading Myths? :: SBC Today Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:09:22 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-7265 [...] #2-The goal of [certain members of] the Task Force is to turn North American church planting over to Ac... While I admit that as I looked at this myth I wondered if Dr. Akin was referring to my article that [...] [...] #2-The goal of [certain members of] the Task Force is to turn North American church planting over to Ac… While I admit that as I looked at this myth I wondered if Dr. Akin was referring to my article that [...]

]]> By: Tim G http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6988 Tim G Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:42:43 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6988 Louis, You comment is spot on. Anyone can be negative and tear down. Let's talk about what we are doing right and what we need to do. I am one who is growing tired of the "younger this and younger that". How about lets GET R DONE! Louis,
You comment is spot on. Anyone can be negative and tear down. Let’s talk about what we are doing right and what we need to do.

I am one who is growing tired of the “younger this and younger that”. How about lets GET R DONE!

]]> By: Matt http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6987 Matt Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:10:56 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6987 With the same due respect, Louis, I believe it is foolish for us to think that we can accomplish that which the Lord commands us in the Great Commission while we as the American church (i.e. those who profess Christ as Lord and God in America) disobey him with the manner in which we live our lives. Yes, there needs to be the positive message of Christ, the cross, and the glory of God that radiates from it, but it is a proclamation that demands change, namely obedience. What good is a cross that does not take us from death to life and makes us slaves to righteousness? What good is the mercy of God if it does not cause God's people to be merciful? What good are the riches of God if it does not cause us to be rich toward others? Yes, proclaim the cross of Christ, but proclaim it with obedience and righteousness as its end. For that is why the work of Christ exists, namely that we, who are in him, fulfill the righteous requirement of the law (cf. Rm. 8:4). And we do need to be beaten over the head, because we are a lukewarm church. We profess Christ as God, yet we do not love righteousness and obedience. We profess Christ as our Lord, yet we neglect to do as he commands, viz. to take up our cross daily and to love others as we love ourselves. And this is the very reason why we do not fulfill the Great Commission, because we are in love with ourselves and our pleasures and luxuries so that we are not willing to sacrifice them for the sake of others and for the sake of the Gospel. In my opinion, dear friend, we have enough "positive" messages being preached to our congregations. The Gospel of deserting all for the sake of Christ needs to be reclaimed before any Great Commission resurgence will ever take place. With the same due respect, Louis, I believe it is foolish for us to think that we can accomplish that which the Lord commands us in the Great Commission while we as the American church (i.e. those who profess Christ as Lord and God in America) disobey him with the manner in which we live our lives. Yes, there needs to be the positive message of Christ, the cross, and the glory of God that radiates from it, but it is a proclamation that demands change, namely obedience. What good is a cross that does not take us from death to life and makes us slaves to righteousness? What good is the mercy of God if it does not cause God’s people to be merciful? What good are the riches of God if it does not cause us to be rich toward others? Yes, proclaim the cross of Christ, but proclaim it with obedience and righteousness as its end. For that is why the work of Christ exists, namely that we, who are in him, fulfill the righteous requirement of the law (cf. Rm. 8:4).

And we do need to be beaten over the head, because we are a lukewarm church. We profess Christ as God, yet we do not love righteousness and obedience. We profess Christ as our Lord, yet we neglect to do as he commands, viz. to take up our cross daily and to love others as we love ourselves. And this is the very reason why we do not fulfill the Great Commission, because we are in love with ourselves and our pleasures and luxuries so that we are not willing to sacrifice them for the sake of others and for the sake of the Gospel.

In my opinion, dear friend, we have enough “positive” messages being preached to our congregations. The Gospel of deserting all for the sake of Christ needs to be reclaimed before any Great Commission resurgence will ever take place.

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6954 Tim Rogers Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:19:30 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6954 Brother Nathan, Sorry for the lateness in my reply. Please note what I stated in my comment to your Dad. I said you guys have come the closer than anyone I have seen to making a recommendation that we partner with Acts 29. I followed your series over at Baptist 21 and agree with much of what you present. Your conclusion article is one that I believe you push in the direction of partnering with Acts 29 in a church planting partnership. Why? Well, after you point to the strengths of the IMB you then mention that no Young Pastor will acknowledge NAMB as being something good to be associated with being Southern Baptist. The reason you give is that the IMB is "singular" in focus. You then advocate that the strength of the IMB--something Young Pastors like--is the same strength of Acts 29. In your logic you place Acts 29 in the same level of support for young pastors as you do the IMB. By that logic, since NAMB does not retain the level of support among young pastors they give to Acts 29 and the IMB, NAMB--our entity charged with church planting in North America--is not singularly focused like Acts 29. While you never recommended we enter into a church planting partnership with Acts 29 you certainly pointed them out as already doing what we should be doing. Thus, in a pragmatic world where efficiency is the buzz word, you seem to have spoken in favor of, but not recommended, Acts 29 as a great partner for SB to use for our church planting network. Blessings, Tim Brother Nathan,

Sorry for the lateness in my reply. Please note what I stated in my comment to your Dad. I said you guys have come the closer than anyone I have seen to making a recommendation that we partner with Acts 29. I followed your series over at Baptist 21 and agree with much of what you present. Your conclusion article is one that I believe you push in the direction of partnering with Acts 29 in a church planting partnership. Why? Well, after you point to the strengths of the IMB you then mention that no Young Pastor will acknowledge NAMB as being something good to be associated with being Southern Baptist. The reason you give is that the IMB is “singular” in focus. You then advocate that the strength of the IMB–something Young Pastors like–is the same strength of Acts 29. In your logic you place Acts 29 in the same level of support for young pastors as you do the IMB. By that logic, since NAMB does not retain the level of support among young pastors they give to Acts 29 and the IMB, NAMB–our entity charged with church planting in North America–is not singularly focused like Acts 29. While you never recommended we enter into a church planting partnership with Acts 29 you certainly pointed them out as already doing what we should be doing. Thus, in a pragmatic world where efficiency is the buzz word, you seem to have spoken in favor of, but not recommended, Acts 29 as a great partner for SB to use for our church planting network.

Blessings,
Tim

]]> By: Louis http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6905 Louis Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:03:27 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6905 With all due respect to Matt, I do NOT want to see a bunch of posts on the "inability of the American church to fulfill the Great Commission while she and her funds are enslaved to idolatry and has no passion for the Glory of God, righteousness, and obedience." Challenges are fine. All churches, including the so-called "American church" (whatever that means) could do a better job of fulfilling the Great Commission. I believe that too many Southern Baptists focus so much on failure, what we do wrong, and beat themselves up over it. They actually like discussions about failure - all the time! This is a big downer. It's like a church's pastor constantly talking about why more people aren't being baptized, why the church isn't growing etc. He ends up beating up his congregation over and over again, and the congregation often likes it because they think they deserve it. But it produces no results. Also, all such discussions are really Narcissistic in the origins, because they are about us. I would like to see more posts about the glory of God, the cross, the Great Commission and how that is being fulfilled in many ways by people, churches and the SBC. That will inspire us to move forward. Louis With all due respect to Matt, I do NOT want to see a bunch of posts on the “inability of the American church to fulfill the Great Commission while she and her funds are enslaved to idolatry and has no passion for the Glory of God, righteousness, and obedience.”

Challenges are fine. All churches, including the so-called “American church” (whatever that means) could do a better job of fulfilling the Great Commission.

I believe that too many Southern Baptists focus so much on failure, what we do wrong, and beat themselves up over it. They actually like discussions about failure – all the time! This is a big downer. It’s like a church’s pastor constantly talking about why more people aren’t being baptized, why the church isn’t growing etc. He ends up beating up his congregation over and over again, and the congregation often likes it because they think they deserve it. But it produces no results. Also, all such discussions are really Narcissistic in the origins, because they are about us.

I would like to see more posts about the glory of God, the cross, the Great Commission and how that is being fulfilled in many ways by people, churches and the SBC.

That will inspire us to move forward.

Louis

]]> By: Matt http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6824 Matt Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:39:21 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6824 I would like to see more on the inability of the American church to fulfill the Great Commission while she and her funds are enslaved to idolatry and has no passion for the Glory of God, righteousness, and obedience. Grace and peace. I would like to see more on the inability of the American church to fulfill the Great Commission while she and her funds are enslaved to idolatry and has no passion for the Glory of God, righteousness, and obedience. Grace and peace.

]]> By: Nathan Akin http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6801 Nathan Akin Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:53:36 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6801 Tim Rogers, I cannot believe that I am having to write this response to your comment, but we NEVER came close to saying that church planting should be turned over to A29. We are saying exactly what Dr. Akin is saying here, that we can learn from them. So I am not quite sure what you are trying to imply about our series of posts, but we understand and like Dr Akin's case. Nathan Tim Rogers,

I cannot believe that I am having to write this response to your comment, but we NEVER came close to saying that church planting should be turned over to A29. We are saying exactly what Dr. Akin is saying here, that we can learn from them. So I am not quite sure what you are trying to imply about our series of posts, but we understand and like Dr Akin’s case.

Nathan

]]> By: Louis http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6791 Louis Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:55 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6791 This is a crazy one. The task force would have more luck recommending that SBC churches use real wine at communions than grape juice. Louis This is a crazy one.

The task force would have more luck recommending that SBC churches use real wine at communions than grape juice.

Louis

]]> By: Tim G http://betweenthetimes.com/2009/10/08/gcr-myth-2-the-goal-of-certain-members-of-the-task-force-is-to-turn-north-american-church-planting-over-to-acts-29-or-to-at-least-enter-into-a-formal-partnership-with-them/comment-page-1/#comment-6788 Tim G Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:41:52 +0000 http://betweenthetimes.com/?p=1144#comment-6788 Dr. Akin, The information is extremely helpful. Thank you for taking the time to provide. I would point out that anyone who has been at a SBC Convention should have heard of Acts29 - unless they spent the majority of their time in the exibit area. This past year it was highly visible or should I say heard about! Dr. Akin,
The information is extremely helpful. Thank you for taking the time to provide. I would point out that anyone who has been at a SBC Convention should have heard of Acts29 – unless they spent the majority of their time in the exibit area. This past year it was highly visible or should I say heard about!

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